Some people here don't know what they are talking about. You also can clearly identify certain people here who based their opinions on hearsay that is spread over social media...

The bear thing is far away from any kind of perversion and it doesn't advocate sex with animals. At end of the day it is a big dick joke that shocks a squirrel so much that it drops its hazelnut. It is not forced upon anyone. You won't see it if you don't want it. The game also doesn't show actual sex scenes. It is a fruitless debate about nonsense.

Tentarei dizer isso da forma mais gentil possível, mas você está se incomodando com uma árvore inteira por causa de uma situação fictícia.

E, por falar nisso, não estou defendendo nenhuma ação nem tolerando nada, só acho que as pessoas parecem estar um pouco irritadas com coisas que, honestamente, não têm a menor importância.

Por exemplo, se um homem beija um homem ou escolhe se tornar uma mulher.

Ou substantivos com gênero/gênero gramatical, o que é linguisticamente absurdo.

O urso nessa situação é um druida metamorfoseado que consentiu com a situação, e ela é totalmente apresentada com valor de choque cômico.

Wrong...thread?

You don't have to translate to portuguese for me, I can read and discuss in english just fine and this way others can chime in with their own points.

Anyway, there's not much we can speak on the primary subject from your post without trespassing the "No politics" rule but I'll PM you okay?

As for the bear scene (which I couldn't watch before either at home or at work) I finally saw it fully today, and it is... well, there's not much that can be said in favor of it.

First of all the "romance" dialogue is corny as hell; I can't believe anyone gets off of that. Then again if good taste was a requirement for media popularity "Twilight" and "50 shades of grey" would never sell more than a handful of copies.

Second of all, it was obviously designed to raise controversy. Unfortunately, in my experience media creators that go for the shock tend to plan for it first and foremost, so they develop a hollow product that doesn't have much quality content to offer beyond the controversial stuff. Here's a prediction for you: in a month when many players will have played through it BG3's story will be considered very "meh", tainted with a mostly dumb plot and one-dimensional characters whose purpose doesn't go much further than telling the player "have I mentioned to you today that I'm just as gay as when we talked yesterday?"

Third, the scene is almost as graphic as I first thought it would be and it is in extremely poor taste. This has nothing to do with the fact it is presenting a gay druid/bear. Had the other character been female I would still call this a terrible piece of media. Regardless of the scene having homosexual or heterosexual content, I can't see how it "makes the game better" except for — there's no way I can sugar coat this — perverts who want to feed bestiality mind fantasies.

The one thing I am fully with you tho, is that at the end of it it can't be outright called bestiality, because it doesn't portray an irrational animal. The first reason why sex with animals is forbidden in RL is that it's essentially a human raping an animal that isn't capable of giving consent. Not the case here, however.
BG3 does not address the second reason: diseases. But I guess in a D&D setting, where magic can even bring people back from death, a disease like AIDS wouldn't be much of a concern.
I have finally been able to see it. It is very nearly as bad as I thought.

Just because it doesn't show the penetration doesn't make it okay. They show all the stuff leading to it, and at the consummation of the foreplay the camera cuts away at the last second. There's really not much left for the imagination.

Edit: farther -> further

Aye, perks of being "old" i guess also what point in getting really angry about it?
You bring your arguments forth and either ppl go into them or not. If they do not then you know
whats up. althhough it is understandable to not read a wall of text, but the issue at hand has grown
so complex and rightout kafkaesk even. Complex statement are necessary. Sadly... Yes you are right, even i do celebrate all the options given, except for the language change.
It is quite small (unless there is more IN the game itself) so ignorable for most that don t care and just
wanna play. But as i said the reprocussions of pandering to the madness crowd with such language changes
come later, once Larian starts to say NO, once Streamers are attacked for streaming games.
Thats why i am so against it. It only brings trouble, the last few years have clearly show that.
Sooner or later the rage mobs get "activated" and it was always awful, mudthrowing and namecalling.
Just dive into what happend to Hogwarts Legacy Streamers, just because JKR started to say *NO* to the
social media weirdos that PUSH that exact language for internet points.

We as players should start to care about our language, just as we should start caring about OWNING
our games... but we re to lazy and too "weak" to do so, because "screw it i wanna play" it is all over the
place and thats why you re right with that point here. Yet the resentiment is growing, intolerance is growing
because of those exact tenencies destroying good stuff we all had / have.

That is the sad part about it.

What is this point about language you're making? I honestly only remember this thread being about bear sex.

Supporting the community means following the community rules - please speak English.

It is funny that certain people here criticize social media stuff and constantly try to turn this thread into another social media playground.

Why are you constantly pressing the repeat button? All you get is the next post about social media speak...

Part hoping something gets through, part my own dark amusement at their perspective, part boredom.

so after 11 pages of i never played the game and just made up my own mind to tell everyone why... can we move on yet?

You mean like... stop bumping the thread? :D

To be fair BG3 lost me years ago, even before it was announced and the entire genre started focusing so much on NPCs relations, fortress/bases (starting with BG2) and lost the focus on the adventuring. We need more games like Icewind Dale... Nothing wrong with story based RPGs like Planescape Torment, by far the best story I've ever seen on a videogame and even read the fan made novel (which is amazing by the way), but what I like the most on an RPG is the dungeon crawling and fighting (I even enjoyed the NWN main campaign more than the expansions...).

Slightly out of topic: if anyone has a recommendation about games like Icewind Dale (focus on battling/adventuring and not dialogue and NPCs relations) please let me know.

It's a very differnt style of gameplay (first person dungeon crawler with turn based fights), but I've been having a whale of a time with Bard's Tale 4. It's basically nothing but combat and puzzles connected by a little exploration. The companion interactions are limited to small, quite funny short dialogues that trigger on their own from time to time, and are just enough to give the cast some character and make them likeable, without any soap opera bullshit. The combat is really great, and the puzzles... where, there's a shitload of them and I love some and hate others, but in the Director's Cut you have a magic song you can use any time to just skip most puzzles, so you can have all the fun of the ones you like and none of the tediousness. Also, the music in the game is just phenomenal. Possibly the best game soundtrack ever. I can't praise it enough.

Alaloth might be the game that you seek. It's still in Early Access, but I have completed it two times already. The gameplay is combat focused with a top to down isometric third-person perspective and pretty heavy lore. The dialogues and story are there, but the majority of time you will spend fighting the monsters and managing the items you find or receive as rewards. Keyboard and mouse controls are present, but I think they haven't implemented very well yet. So I played Alaloth using a controller.

This is always a strange take for me (no offense) because we've had many CRPGs that have both an excellent story and reactive world along with good combat. I don't feel like you have to pick one or the other, and games should aspire to be good at both. Maybe when you're a small indie and can only invest so much effort (Solasta for example) I understand it, but for something on BG3's scale it should absolutely be good at both.