Imagine donating money for that doodle kickstarter lmao

I don't understand what you mean ? I replied to everyone who posted. Then if you don't like Tactic don't come on this topic. If you like Tactic but not APEXARENA. Please Tell me what you don't like ? At this stage feedbacks are easy to Gather.

is this trolling? sorry if it is not, but then you really need to improve.

a) the name, if you make this game, will get you in problems due to Apex Arena. EA have the trademark for that name (even though you write it without the space), and to keep a trademark you have to enforce it or lose it. it is also rather silly to have such a name, as APex Arena will have higher browser / search visability then you. It is also a low blow to piggy back onto an already established franchise, it seems very suspect.

b) the only thing I can find about your game is the kickstarter page, which is extremly amateurish. only thing there is an image which looks like it was made by a 5 year old in MS paint. if you want people to give you money, this does not give confidence. if you are serious, you need to fix this ASAP.

c) the list of features seems more like a wish list then a realistic set of game features. for example - how will you achive 2 levels of difficulty in an MMO? this is not possible, unless you have different servers, for which there are alresy many MMOs that do, or you are either nerfing or boosting one set of players, which makes it unfair. also, you claim it is an MMO, but then you mentiom 1v1 or 2v2, which is not am MMO. the things you list her and the terminology you use again do not make me confident you know what you are doing. this may be a langauge problem, but then again - if you do not care enough to make sure you have corect translations, then I also will not care enough about your game.

d) gOg is completely the wrong store front to pitch this game. have a look at the catalogue - how many games like your do you find here? did you do any research before posting this? why do you think this would be a good fit?

Based on a very superficial look (which is what I think you will get the most), your Kickstarter looks very amateurish as it stands now.
I see many blurry images with text. That text is hard to read, the colours are distracting and that approach defeats both the search functionality in the browser and any accessibility functionality that the user may wish to employ to better read the text. And for what? Those images/backgrounds bring nothing to the table. They don't show the game, they don't show the art, they don't invoke the subject or the theme. My suggestion is for you to hire someone that works on design to work on this presentation because I had to fight against that Kickstarter page when I wanted to learn more about your project, and quickly concluded that I did not care enough to make the effort.

What I did learn was that you asked for €20 to be able to play the game, and even then I need to unlock the other 80% of it. And doing so will not depend just on me. I don't see much fun per monetary unit spent there.

From the original post, some things do not sound clear. For example, What does that mean? The look of the little clones match an accurate representation? It does not seem very relevant to a competitive game, where numbers matter most. Or do you mean the number of cuts of a gladius needed to kill a person? I don't think museums keep track of that.
And then there are balancing issues, that may force you to have accurate-looking units with inaccurate stats. I think it is nice if you care about accuracy, but it either does not matter or it does not help in making a good game. Sadly. A good simulation, maybe, but not a fun game. I have no idea what this means. It sounds too esoteric to me.

In summary, I believe you have put a lot of effort into your game. It may have been hard to reach this point, but I'm afraid you are not set up for success yet. You look through the eyes of a developer who put in all those details and all those hard hours into fine and efficient algorithms. We, consumers, don't care about any of that! We care about bang per buck, and I don't see that. You need an editor that can provide you a fresh look, correct your misjudgements and provide you with a correct perspective. As an example, please take a critical look at your Kickstarter risks section! I see broken english, a liberal use of capitalization and an in-game-world rant that does not address the purpose of the section: what of the dev loses interest? What about technical challenges? What if you get hacked? What if your solutions do not scale? Have you hear of games such as Elemental: War of Magic, where even significant teams end up creating. Overall you sound a bit too delusional overall for me to have confidence on your project, and that you may not be level-headed enough to create something the market cares about.

Personally, I don't find it strange: this is your baby after all. You most likely live "in that world" more hours than in our common one. And at the same time it shows you care about your project and it is not made by a company chasing the latest money-making fad. It brings me no joy in casting dark shadows over your Kickstarter campaign, but I have seen better attempts made by more experienced and well-known companies fail. It is for this reason that I strongly suggest that you should think long and hard about your goals for this campaign. Perhaps you should not target yourself with it, but other types of consumers, even if you are not creating a mass-appeal product.

I did focus on the negatives since that is where you should make the greater effort. Hopefully you will learn something from all this text. Either way, I wish you success with your game.

a) Please give me a link where we can clearly see they have it. More over it's a Common name so Hard to register ....

b) What are you talking about the The one where there is 2 Times ApexArena on it ? If it look like 5 Years old Kids work. It's a good point because it was intended (Still You don't like it, I Really take note of it)
Still I gave you all the links needed there is way more than just one Picture (Still I agree Hard to Read)

c) I'm Conceptor It's my job to take care about this. No worries it doesn't imply any problems. For the MMO point I skip it

d) I let you check the List that Zwem gave. There are a lot here. I Consider that any store deserve to hear about it.


All the point I see is that you only watch videos and Pictures but doesn't read so much. Ok I know this, Still I will take it more in consideration. If you only want flashy Pictures and Video No worries It's the cheapest to do so not so much a difficulty Still I preferred to focus on the Technical aspect, Seems it was a Mistake OK I note it.

Thank you very much for your opinion

good luck with that

if that realy was your intention (and your website looks the same), then you are really using the wrong tactic. if you want to make people give you monies, the first thing you need to establish is trust and proffesionalism. this does neither.

For people who want easy link: https://theapexarena.com/

Nice, in the same spirit - i will skip your game.

Zwem did not give a list. If i missed a list, then please point it out to me. he mention some famous games - NONE OF THEM ARE ON GOG. again - did you do your research on the games gOg are actually selling?

cheers, and no. i play a lot of small indie games, in fact I play a lot more small indie games (with a lot less focus on graphics, but rather focus on experimentation and solid gameplay) than i play AAA games. I only made one point about the graphics, but that is the one you lashed onto, the rest had to do with the impressions and the mechanic (which you "skipped") Next tip - if you want to have positive interactions with potentail players, don't insult them. This interaction has just furthered my view that this is a very amaturish project, which no longer I need to waste any time on. Good luck

Allow me to fix a lot of disinformation. Still that I'm not sure if you are a Dev or not

1) "I see many …." This is Completely True. But let's take this example:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/uncasualgames/ancient-cities?ref=discovery_category_newest&term=strategy%20pc

It got a success so I consider it's good. There is nothing complicate in the presentation only Pictures and Video. Such Kickstarter Presentation is 100€ of Work (And you could even do it Yourself) so really not a Problem to fix. But Still I completely agree on this point.

2) "You asked for €20" Which is less than the average and you can even get it for 10€ (in specific circumstance). So I consider you highlighted a Great Point. Thank You for this.

3) "will not depend just on me." This is COMPLETELY WRONG. It's just ONE OF THE BASIS OF THE APEXARENA. EVERYTHING WILL DEPEND ON YOU. Even your rank (Which is usually far to be the case everywhere else) Second good Point you just Highlighted.

4) "… I don't think " Here I think that only a Dev would Say this. First you contradict your Point 1. You say it's amateurish because it doesn't look Great but now complain about the opposite. Then It just one of the Basis of True Tactic, to be realistic. And most of Big Game are focused on it. Please Tell me how much Fan Total War Have ?
It might not be the kind of Milestone you are looking for. But its extremely personal (Last but not least there is the UNDER REVIEW Mention)

5) "I have no idea what this means. It sounds too esoteric to me." Again this seems more the note of professional Still If you would have read the Campaign you would know (But what you said in 1 is true, so you didn't read, I understand). Secondly there are always hidden Milestone in a KickStarter Campaign (And I'm surprise you are surprise). So it's the Third Good Point toward the ApexArena you are Highlighted, Thank Again

Then You contradict again Point 4 by saying that I'm too focus on the Dev part an not What a Community Member would look like. Again I think only Professional would say this.

Funnily you took the time to read the Risk but not the Project (Who do this ? A Dev I'm sure). I will give you the doubt that point 1 Overtook you; But it's suspicious.

Then I'm a Conceptor, not a Dev, I make sure everything is Coherent (What it is and you proved it yourself) not that it look beautiful. I make sure when the community don't like something that a Complete alternative is ready and they will like it. I'm the Architect not the Mason.

Still What I understand from your post and other members before is that you don't read so much but check more pictures. Ok I take note of it. I will update it now to make it readable and will focus on Pictures when I will have good Pictures.

"Your Baby" LOL On this point your Frightened me. You are (Hopefully) completely Wrong. I have dozens of projects which have the Deepness of the ApexArena (Even if it's hard for you to see it). Still The ApexArena Is Realistic TBT Tactic. So Obviously It have to match with it. And considering everyone failed in this field before me I'm not worry about some of your comments.

So Let's Recap: 2) 3) 5) Go Toward the ApexArena 4) Is too subjective, I Skip it.
So if the only Bad point you noticed is 1) (And you are Right about it). Well again it's only the presentation. So not like if it was a big threat. It Give 3 – 1 Toward the ApexArena. I Consider I win the Match

Very Last Point. I first of all Need to team up with a Team. So the Description (But still not the Presentation of it) also have to go in this senses. Obviously it's not so much your problem (But give you an explanation)

Thank you for your Feedbacks I take note of it

Hello again, Tacktikast. I would suggest that you make better use of the quote tag next. It takes a bit more work than the other tags but it makes a much better job of setting the context of what you are replying to.

Thank you for taking the time to clarifying a few things you belive I got wrong. I understand I may have been more clear here and there, but it was late and I still wanted to try and help somehow. We all have our constrains.

So, regarding this first point, what I said was "I see many blurry images with text. That text is hard to read". And it was hard to read because of the background images and multiple colours. That was my main criticism. You don't have to make the page flashy, pay for professional video, that is not what I meant. I intended con convey it was difficult to read the text in that condition.

I also mentioned that I did not see any in-game images, but I assumed you would add some at some point.

I agree this is very subjective. Have I ever payed $20 or more for a videogame? I have. And it was never a good deal for me. Perhaps I was just unlucky.
And 20€ to me means 40€ or 50€ to you. As you understand, we don't really have the same wage parity. I understand you wish to be compensated for your work, but I can only say how I see things, and it is intimately related with the point below.

As for the 10€ option, well, with those 10€ I could win one million euros! I did not understand what the odds are for that option, so I decided not to give it much consideration.

My understanding was that I needed to win matches in order to unlock the other factions. If you can climb the ranks by losing matches, I imagine that would just be grinding and not fun at all.

But what I wanted to say is that, if I am strong enough to win against opponent A, but not good enough to win against opponent B, then that climb to unlock content depends also on the pairing of the players, and either player A or me will see the short end of the stick.
This is in stark contrast with a single-player game, for example, where the external factor never plays a role.

Again, what I criticised as amateurish was, more concretely, the images with crayon-like text and the colourful text that was hard to read. I am not ashamed to admit that, in some areas, my talent never developed beyond may age of 8 or 10. And that is OK because we don't have to be good at everything. Maybe you got distracted or were too focused on what you were writing that you did not take adequate attention to what it looked to a casual reader. It is OK, we are always learning things and I know I made that mistake. (You obviously did not understand everything I wrote on my previous post, so I hope this one reads better).

So, I imagine that the "museum level units accuracy" may refer to the unit design, since you lumped it with a graphical critique. But about accuracy, did you ever see a North-American show called "Deadliest Warrior"? It had a little bit of fine information about different well-known warriors but the simulation they did was trash! You can't pit, say, an Apache indian vs. a Gladiator because each one specialized in a different environment! I totally expect you to do a better job of simulating this.

Actually, one of the most expensive games I purchased was a Total War game.The first one, actually. Was it accurate? Yes, I think it was a bit accurate for its time. They certainly did their homework. How much fun was it? Quite fun. Though I read you could win the game just assassinating all your opponents with ninja attacks.

However, I had more fun playing StarCraft.


Look, it seems to be you went overboard with the sarcasm in your post. Did you came to a computer game store forums looking for game developer's opinions? You won't find many in here. What you got was the feedback from multiple people who took their time to help you, out of good will. It was my hope that you would take them as a sobering opinion, but see what others tell you elsewhere.
If you wanted my professional opinion, then I would be charging you for it.

However, sadly, what transpires to me is that you were not looking for feedback or opinions, you were looking for compliments, reassurance and pats on the back. Sadly, life is not made of stories of successes, though those are the ones that catch you attention the most. And the most you can learn from others, the less you have to learn from your own mistakes -- not that there is any shame in making mistakes, it shows you tried.

I do not wish to end this post on a sad tone, so I'll conclude by wishing you luck with your development; we all wish for more good games in the world. Please let us know when your Kickstarter live so that we can have a better idea of your project.

I have so much difficulties to understand you (and even read you). You contradict yourself so often.

You don't want to finish "on a sad tone". What is Sad in your whole Comment ?

And you tell me I don't want feedback ???? I just spend a whole hour to answer YOUR Feedback (You thanks me Yourself).

But it was FULL OF MISTAKES. A Kickstarter at Less of 20€ ?????? Usually it's 90€-100€ the average on Kickstarter. Then What do you want I to tell you If 10€ is too much ….

The part on the Rank is not understandable. I have no idea about what you are complaining.

Most of what you said was Good Point toward the APEXARENA so I really don't understand anything you are telling me and even less the conclusion. Which goes in the opposite of your comment ….

Well, I just came to believe you have too much confirmation bias.

Well, that is why we are talking. You know everything about the game, and I know very little and I don't understand everything you say here or on the Kickstarter page. It does seem to be better now, BTW.

But regarding the price, I went back and looked at some PC game Kickstarters that caught my eye over the years. and €20 does seem to be about the average minimum price that includes the full game. However, they were either supported by big IP, had a well-known team behind them or had a playable demo available.

Furthermore, once it was done, you would get the entire game, without mandatory unlocks or ties, which meant I could enjoy the full game at my leisure. This is related with the unlocking through player ranks and there was no risk of the server being disconnected some day in the future or having no one to play with.
Yes, that is, in part, related to the type of game (though Mode 7 Games did pledge to release the server code if they decided to shut it down, which, to me, is good enough).

I am not complaining. If I don't like it, I don't buy it! It is that simple.
What I am doing is presenting some points that make the game less appealing to me. Others may love them. And maybe I have misunderstood them. Either way, I am explaining them here because you may wish to address them in your Kickstarter page if you think others may have an issue with them.

Imagine this: I am a really nerdy fan of the ancient armies and I am excited because not many games include some of them, like the Egyptian one. I buy the game at the €20 tier because I think the other options seem too expensive to me, and I cannot justify that expense at the moment.
I go on-line and I lose. It turns out I am a bad player in this game. I continue to play it but I keep losing -- it happens, someone, somewhere, will be the worst player on your servers. I keep losing all my games.
It is not fun, but maybe some other army is more my type. However, since I lose every match, I never unlock the other armies.

This is what I perceive. And if a loss makes me advance in the rankings, I imagine it will be very, very little and make no difference.

Now, other Kickstarted games I followed were close to €20 for the full game, all content. ApexArena is $20 for 20% of the content * and €100 for the full content (all armies).

* Actually, I believe there is more than 20% of the full content on the cheapest tier, but you price it in this way.

It is possible I am too far removed from modern on-line gaming, and MOBA games set this trend. If so, I think I will never join them.

So first From the whole list of Problem you mentionned first at the end you noticed only 1 was remaining which I think is also a good point Toward the APEXARENA.

Before to settle the last note I will remember something extremely important; I quote:

" Where Collectors meet Tacticians. Competitive and Innovative. "

And here a List Of KickStarter Campaign: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/terrainvicta/terra-invicta?ref=discovery&term=pc%20strategy (Beta 65$)
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/bugbyte-ludibooster/battlestation-harbinger-extended-edition?ref=discovery&term=pc%20strategy (Early 40$)
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/uncasualgames/ancient-cities?ref=discovery&term=pc%20strategy (Beta 60€)
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/doublefine/double-fines-massive-chalice?ref=discovery&term=pc%20strategy (Early 50$ )
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/vashtaentertainment/trenches-of-war?ref=discovery&term=pc%20strategy (Alpha 50$)

And for each of them it will be MONTHS LATER IF THE CAMPAIGN SUCCEED

ApexArena (Instant Access: 40€) whatever it succeed or no.
From here I think it Definintively clarify the whole Situation about The Price and I will not answer again about it. Because it could not be more Fair


Thank about the Defeat. You keep contradicting yourself after each Post. First It's too hard, then too easy, then too hard. And I have difficulties to understand how could you know this.
Still If you are a Tactician you MUST KNOW that defeat is Part of Tactic. A Tactician love to lose He love to get defeat. It's part of the Battle.

The situation where you would lose everytime will not be a concern to get the opportunity to discover other Faction. I remember you that we are even not in Alpha so I have no idea again how you achieve to make such conclusions ? (Moreover Today it's like this any where else and even 20 Years ago you had to pay for Add-on .... Which is even NOT the Case Here)

Still Lastly but Not least due to surprise which are not revealed (But still partially announced in the Campaign) I guaranty anyone that they will have an opportunity to discover each of them (Might be slower which is normal but perfectly sustainable).

Hopping everything is clear for you.

you say " I mention some famous ...." so there is a list lol. then I quote myself, because it seems you have difficulties to read:

They are clearly indicated and I can even add Gwent too by the way. I was also highlighted the number of members who whishlisted the other. There are also Field of Glory or Mount and Blade (even if mount and blade start to be off topic at least ).

You are just saying bunch of craps, you seems sectarian. it's never good for a store like GOG to have forum members like you who seems to do everything they can to convince indi to dont come. its even crazy lol. What the hidden trick. You dont want GOG to grow ???? Everything you said is crap, if you don't like indie neither gog dont come here and go back on steam

Well this descended into insanity from some. :/

To the OP - you are ADVERTISING a kickstarter, therefore spamming under the CoC. I could comment further on the quality of things, but others have already said it and your counterpart (alt?) zwem is just making things worse. You also appear to NOT want feedback.

Good bye. Good luck! Wake up!