Posted November 09, 2011
I'm playing Throne of Bhaal right now.
Imoen has the Staff of the Magi and is wearing a Cloak of Non-Detection. I'm hoping this makes her a completely undetectable scout. I send her ahead invisible, detecting traps and discovering what enemies are up next.
I assume that the Cloak of Non-Detection makes it impossible for anyone to see through the invisibility with True Seeing, and I assume that the fact that the invisibility and non-detection come from items, they cannot be dispelled.
However, a lot of creatures seem to be targeting her anyway. Most recently it was a fire troll ambush. A few of the fire trolls started attacking Imoen. Since I didn't see how it started, I realized it could have been that they appeared right beside her and she acted on her own initiative and took a swipe. So I moved her a bit away and quickly re-equipped the Staff of the Magi to get the invisibility back up. I expected that by going in invisible again, the fire trolls would lose sight of her. But they didn't, they kept chasing her.
Before that, my group had several encounters with Yaga-Shura Mercenaries. They too seemed to be able to target Imoen, even though she was invisible and under non-detection.
I don't think I had this problem at all in Shadows of Amn- Imoen had the Staff of the Magi and Cloak of Non-Detection throughout Watchers Keep and Chapters 6 & 7, and was relatively safe unless she broke invisibility through spell-casting. (On the other hand, she wasn't scouting in Shadows of Amn, either- it took a while for it to occur to me what the combination of permanent invisibility, non-detection, and 95% Find Traps could do for me.)
Do some creatures just see through invisibility? Shouldn't creatures lose track of her when she becomes invisible again? (I've certainly faced assassin enemies with unlimited invisibility who could backstab and pop back into invisibility before I could even target them.) Am I missing something when it comes to how invisibility and non-detection work? Do the powerful Throne of Bhaal creatures just have AI scripts that ignore things like invisibility? Is Imoen "going rogue" as it were, by doing things pursuant to her AI, and I'm just missing it?
Imoen has the Staff of the Magi and is wearing a Cloak of Non-Detection. I'm hoping this makes her a completely undetectable scout. I send her ahead invisible, detecting traps and discovering what enemies are up next.
I assume that the Cloak of Non-Detection makes it impossible for anyone to see through the invisibility with True Seeing, and I assume that the fact that the invisibility and non-detection come from items, they cannot be dispelled.
However, a lot of creatures seem to be targeting her anyway. Most recently it was a fire troll ambush. A few of the fire trolls started attacking Imoen. Since I didn't see how it started, I realized it could have been that they appeared right beside her and she acted on her own initiative and took a swipe. So I moved her a bit away and quickly re-equipped the Staff of the Magi to get the invisibility back up. I expected that by going in invisible again, the fire trolls would lose sight of her. But they didn't, they kept chasing her.
Before that, my group had several encounters with Yaga-Shura Mercenaries. They too seemed to be able to target Imoen, even though she was invisible and under non-detection.
I don't think I had this problem at all in Shadows of Amn- Imoen had the Staff of the Magi and Cloak of Non-Detection throughout Watchers Keep and Chapters 6 & 7, and was relatively safe unless she broke invisibility through spell-casting. (On the other hand, she wasn't scouting in Shadows of Amn, either- it took a while for it to occur to me what the combination of permanent invisibility, non-detection, and 95% Find Traps could do for me.)
Do some creatures just see through invisibility? Shouldn't creatures lose track of her when she becomes invisible again? (I've certainly faced assassin enemies with unlimited invisibility who could backstab and pop back into invisibility before I could even target them.) Am I missing something when it comes to how invisibility and non-detection work? Do the powerful Throne of Bhaal creatures just have AI scripts that ignore things like invisibility? Is Imoen "going rogue" as it were, by doing things pursuant to her AI, and I'm just missing it?
Post edited November 09, 2011 by bjbrown