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Sorry to remind you, but hospitals were brought down by the hacktivists, lately, no? They even demanded ransom... Needless to say, which groups of "charismatic" people have ties with leftist extremists, hacksters, or even downright endorse terrorists (and various inhumane murderers, rapists, freaks). Oh, well...

People hallucinating they are fighting for libery, while actually removing forcibly the freedom of others, sometimes bring the exactly opposite results to the ones they had been striving towards. Or do that intentionally perhaps, as provacateurs (scenario example: They brought hospitals down, then accuse the ruling party they hate for extreme measures, or worse, as if they were the ones to bring things down). What did you expect? People got in danger there, their health and even lives, no wonder drastic measures will have to be taken. Or maybe, you knew that this would happen, since you or the people you support, engineered this, perchance?

The ones responsible for loss or removal of rights and freedoms, are always, the base hypocrites shouting the loudest that they are fighting for them. Saboteurs, provocateurs, or simply ignorant clueless airheads, the lot of them, a really explosive mix for any society, especially the ones of the civilized world and advanced cultures. A real threat.
Post edited May 22, 2017 by KiNgBrAdLeY7
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fishbaits: ...
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Trilarion: Some awful sources you cite there. Not only is there no real information but rather a lot of speculation and rumours (which can be true but more often than not are completely wrong), but the style how the gossip is presented is really awful.

I would prefer some more solid, well-written sources before discussing anything.

Just a small bit of argument. The Internet should be somewhat regulated, it should not be a law free space, if only to protect us. Now it all depends on the how much, how exactly, what to achieve, ...
There's nothing wrong with the sources, unless you include the tories that are wanting to make this change, as they're the ones that have limited the what/where/when of it all, which is as much as everyone else knows until more is released.

There's also a difference between regulated & law free space & what they're wanting to do to it.
Want to watch porn? Hmm, they'll only let you watch certain types.
Want encryption? hahaha, hell no!
Want a secure internet? Nope! Backdoors in all the things.
Want to be free to use internet without being tracked? Nope, your tracking is now forced to be back up by ISPs due to recent laws.

I agree that if you say or do something illegal, then it shouldn't matter where it is, you should stand the consequences, but this goes far beyond that.
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KiNgBrAdLeY7: Sorry to remind you, but hospitals were brought down by the hacktivists, lately, no? They even demanded ransom... Needless to say, which groups of "charismatic" people have ties with leftist extremists, hacksters, or even downright endorse terrorists (and various inhumane murderers, rapists, freaks). Oh, well...

People hallucinating they are fighting for libery, while actually removing forcibly the freedom of others, sometimes bring the exactly opposite results to the ones they had been striving towards. Or do that intentionally perhaps, as provacateurs (scenario example: They brought hospitals down, then accuse the ruling party they hate for extreme measures, or worse, as if they were the ones to bring things down). What did you expect? People got in danger there, their health and even lives, no wonder drastic measures will have to be taken. Or maybe, you knew that this would happen, since you or the people you support, engineered this, perchance?

The ones responsible for loss or removal of rights and freedoms, are always, the base hypocrites shouting the loudest that they are fighting for them. Saboteurs, provocateurs, or simply ignorant clueless airheads, the lot of them, a really explosive mix for any society, especially the ones of the civilized world and advanced cultures. A real threat.
The hospitals were only brought down by "hacktivists" because some idiot opened or downloaded the file that enabled that to happen in the first place.
It's more than likely that the hospitals weren't the target, it was just random chance that that was where the email was opened.

Any time someone targets something big, they boast about "Oh look, we hacked...." & that's not happened.
Unless you also think that some pensioner sat in their home was also a specific target when they also opened a similar file & got ransomware'd ;p
Post edited May 22, 2017 by fishbaits
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What's wrong with the Independent article that was cited?

That's good enough for casual discussion, I think.
Hmm, I can't find much to discuss about. There are no details, there are no sources cited (reliable with information), there is nothing. This is at best an opinion piece. The article by the Independent is mostly garbage.

I already said, I don't want to contribute to a discussion that is much too hypothetical and speculative in this regard. Maybe others want to.
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ZFR: Yes. North Korea and United Kingdom are exactly the same. Exactly.

Thanks for the most moronic thread title of the month.
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Crosmando: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943

Britain actually beats NK for killing people.
That was a long time ago though. Bringing that up today is like asking you what you did to all those Tasmanians.

Though Britain does do a lot of shameful things today, like supporting Saudi-Arabia's war in Yemen.
Post edited May 22, 2017 by morolf
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Crosmando: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943

Britain actually beats NK for killing people.
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morolf: That was a long time ago though. Bringing that up today is like asking you what you did to all those Tasmanians.

Though Britain does do a lot of shameful things today, like supporting Saudi-Arabia's war in Yemen.
1943 is not that long ago, it's just as long ago as the Holocaust and that is mentioned all the time.
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yogsloth: Why are UK Conservatives acting like Liberals?

If I'm a conservative voter in the UK, I want more freedom, not less. That's what conservative means.

I can't tell what means what anymore.
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Trilarion: Let me help you:

Conservative = Clinging to the past
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Progressive = Embracing everything new

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Liberal = Minimal interference of the government
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Authoritarian = The leader decides for you

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Social = redistribution of wealth from the rich to the poor
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Unsocial = mine is mine

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Lawful = Independent, strong jurisdiction
vs.
Unlawful = dependent, corrupt jurisdiction

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Free = Laws that enable freedom
vs.
Non-Free = Laws that prohibit freedom

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Summary: The UK Tories act somewhat conservative (although they changed their view towards gays marriage), somewhat liberal (except for security, there they are rather strict), somewhat social (but only on paper, not what they really do), mostly lawful and somewhat free (if it's about security or terrorism or just people who may not think exactly the same). What's so difficult to understand about it?

Btw. Are you a voter in the UK or not?
No, California.

So according to this, I'm a Progressive Liberal Unsocial Lawful Free supporter.

If only those terms actually meant that.

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Beats my usual Chaotic Neutral Paladin, I suppose.
Just a distraction: http://www.the-postillon.com/2017/05/may-suddenly-realises.html
hehe, good one.
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yogsloth: Beats my usual Chaotic Neutral Paladin, I suppose.
Doesn't a Paladin have to be Lawful Good?
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yogsloth: Beats my usual Chaotic Neutral Paladin, I suppose.
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Breja: Doesn't a Paladin have to be Lawful Good?
AFAIK newer D&D editions let in any street riff raff that is able to yell their deities name louder than anyone else. :P
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Breja: Doesn't a Paladin have to be Lawful Good?
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anothername: AFAIK newer D&D editions let in any street riff raff that is able to yell their deities name louder than anyone else. :P
Oh come on. What's even the point?
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morolf: They're trying to do similar shit in Germany as well, all under the pretext of fighting "hate speech".
Disgusting what's becoming of western countries.
Define what you mean, please.
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yogsloth: Beats my usual Chaotic Neutral Paladin, I suppose.
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Breja: Doesn't a Paladin have to be Lawful Good?
**** me, no wonder I always die before the first boss
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anothername: AFAIK newer D&D editions let in any street riff raff that is able to yell their deities name louder than anyone else. :P
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Breja: Oh come on. What's even the point?
Selling supplementals under the guise of political correctness? "See, now that your uncaring little shit of a char who perfectly played by his alignment just sniffed the tithe-worth of coke from a hookers butt has become a Paladin you sure want AND NEED to buy the "Epic Guide To More Paladin Stuff Vol.3"!"
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Breja: Oh come on. What's even the point?
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anothername: Selling supplementals under the guise of political correctness?
Ok, what does political correctness have to do with this :D Or are you just trying to pretend we're not off topic?