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muntdefems: OK, since you guys keep mentioning ghosting and I'm still not 100% sure, let me ask it directly: is ghosting possible with a mechanical keyboard? Or any mechanical keyboard, no matter how cheap it is (like mine :P) should be safe from ghosting?
As I said, you only are safe from ghosting if the keyboard has a nkey rollover. The type doesn't matter. And if it is connected via USB it will need some specific drivers to handle more than 6 keys anyway.
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muntdefems: I'm afraid that's not the case as I've thoroughly tested it indeed. Like, pressing L-Shift and R-Ctrl and then, without releasing my fingers from those 2 keys, repeatedly pressing the right cursor key. As I said, it works (i.e. a new word is selected) once in every 4-5 tries.

It doesn't seem a delay issue either. For once, that Microsoft webpage registers the key presses instantly. And besides, when the combination works it does so immediately, but when it doesn't nothing happens no matter how long I keep the 3 keys pressed.

I also don't think proximity between keys may play a role here, as the combination R-Shift + R-Ctrl + arrow key works flawlessly 100% of the time, and they are all near together.
I assumed as much, but thought it best to rule that out as a possibility.

Well if holding down the shift and ctrl keys and pressing it only works 4 out of 5 times then it shouldn't be a delay issue as the shift and ctrl should already be being read as a down press by that point. And considering it does work some of the time, that sounds like a fault rather than some bizarre combination of keys that just don't happen to perform correctly together.

The last thing I can think of (other than it being faulty) is that it's something to do with the fn (function) key and the fact that the arrows control volume and brightness (presumably, judging from the screenshots), but I can't really see a reason why that would be an issue (or why it would work some of the time if it was an issue) other than a fault.
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bhrigu: The ratings seem good. But Should you trust a keyboard that says "Original USB Connector"?

But still ghosting with just 3 keypresses seem a little much.
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Paradoks: It's much more common than it seems. The question is: what 3 keys are being pressed. For example I remember a Logitech 105 (which technically is a "gaming keyboard") not being able to handle Numpad 6 + Numpad 8 + Space.
Just tried that combination, and it worked. On Logitech G105.
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muntdefems: [...]
I'm afraid that's not the case as I've thoroughly tested it indeed. Like, pressing L-Shift and R-Ctrl and then, without releasing my fingers from those 2 keys, repeatedly pressing the right cursor key. As I said, it works (i.e. a new word is selected) once in every 4-5 tries.
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Have you tried these key combination in a game?
Post edited August 01, 2017 by bhrigu
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Paradoks: As I said, you only are safe from ghosting if the keyboard has a nkey rollover. The type doesn't matter. And if it is connected via USB it will need some specific drivers to handle more than 6 keys anyway.
Oh, sorry. I thought you were talking about membrane keyboards. Well, silly me, I thought that with a mechanic keyboard one would be able to press ALL the keys and get them all to register...


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adaliabooks: The last thing I can think of (other than it being faulty) is that it's something to do with the fn (function) key and the fact that the arrows control volume and brightness (presumably, judging from the screenshots), but I can't really see a reason why that would be an issue (or why it would work some of the time if it was an issue) other than a fault.
Well, FN+⇧/⇩ do indeed control brightness (although that of the keyboard light, not the monitor's), but I've got no idea what FN+⇦ /⇨ does. It isn't volume, as volume is controlled with FN+F9/F10/F11. In fact it doesn't seem to do anything, but then again I'm on Linux and several other functions don't work either, so...
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muntdefems: Well, FN+⇧/⇩ do indeed control brightness (although that of the keyboard light, not the monitor's), but I've got no idea what FN+⇦ /⇨ does. It isn't volume, as volume is controlled with FN+F9/F10/F11. In fact it doesn't seem to do anything, but then again I'm on Linux and several other functions don't work either, so...
Who knows, it doesn't seem to be listed on the screenshot listing the other function keys but they do look like they have some kind of secondary function...
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bhrigu: Have you tried these key combination in a game?
I hadn't, but I just did after reading your suggestion. :)

I installed the first FPS I could find in my collection (Ziggurat), and I remapped the controls like this:

· Movement: cursor keys
· Sprint: left Shift
· Jump: right Control


The observed behavior is consistent with the previously described typing woes, i.e. moving around and sprinting, or moving around and jumping worked flawlessly. But when sprinting to the right, I only got to jump every 4th or 5th pressing of the R-Ctrl key. Trying to jump whilst sprinting to the left worked 100% of the time.

Interestingly, when sprinting to the right and failing to jump, if I kept the R-Ctrl key pressed and I released the right cursor key, my character would then jump.


Anyway, being it an Amazon purchase I think I'll just return the product and ask for a replacement. Thanks everybody for your help and suggestions! :)
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Paradoks: It's much more common than it seems. The question is: what 3 keys are being pressed. For example I remember a Logitech 105 (which technically is a "gaming keyboard") not being able to handle Numpad 6 + Numpad 8 + Space.
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bhrigu: Just tried that combination, and it worked. On Logitech G105.
Interesting. I guess they had several versions that you wouldn't be able to distinguish between without dismantling the keyboard. Then again, Logitech's quality took a real nosedive compared to what they used to be. I remember that I had to move from Numpad 4, 5, 6, 8 to 1, 2, 3, 5 because some combinations were not recognised.
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bhrigu: Just tried that combination, and it worked. On Logitech G105.
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Paradoks: Interesting. I guess they had several versions that you wouldn't be able to distinguish between without dismantling the keyboard. Then again, Logitech's quality took a real nosedive compared to what they used to be. I remember that I had to move from Numpad 4, 5, 6, 8 to 1, 2, 3, 5 because some combinations were not recognised.
Mine is a new one. So maybe they fixed the bug.
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muntdefems: Oh, sorry. I thought you were talking about membrane keyboards. Well, silly me, I thought that with a mechanic keyboard one would be able to press ALL the keys and get them all to register...
When I was looking for a new keyboard I was making sure that I would be able to do just that ;-). And the options turned out to be much more limited than expected. I ended up with CM Quickfire Ultimate. But the point is - if you can press several keys at once - it will be advertised. 6 key rollover should be sufficient, but even that should be explicitly stated on the product page.
Now about your problem. I think that the fact that it is somewhat random suggest that it is actually a malfunction and not a design flaw. Besides, modifier keys usually don't cause problems with other keys (for obvious reasons).
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Paradoks: Now about your problem. I think that the fact that it is somewhat random suggest that it is actually a malfunction and not a design flaw. Besides, modifier keys usually don't cause problems with other keys (for obvious reasons).
There wasn't an option for a replacement so I just asked a refund and I'll buy another model.

By the way, while browsing for other keyboards I found the solution to "fn+⇦ /⇨ riddle". These key combinations control the 'breathing speed' of the pulsating lights pattern. No wonder they didn't seem to work, as I would never leave the backlights in that setting. xD
Finally, more than 3 weeks later my keyboarding woes are over!

As I said, I returned my faulty keyboard and at first I went for a KLIM Domination. It was slightly more expensive than the first one (it was about 55€), it was full-RGB (though I didn't care much about this feature), and I read somewhere that it got 6-key rollover, which was fine for me. The reviews seemed good, too.

I received it last week, I tested it, and it didn't seem to have any ghosting problem. It did have, however, a teenie-weenie flaw: the switch corresponding to the E key was faulty: sometimes it didn't register a key press, and some other times (the most), it registered between 2 and 4 or 5 key presses. Totally unusable.

So I returned it as well, and I gave up my hopes of getting a good and cheap mechanical keyboard. I looked in the ~100€ range, and opted for a Corsair STRAFE. I've just received it and tested it, and so far it works like a charm. Plus it's got Cherry MX Brown switches (the previous two keyboards had blue switches) which feel the same but are significantly less noisy. Oh, and it's also got full 104-key rollover, so it looks like I won't see any more ghosts. xD
For someone who types as much as you, investing in a decent keyboard is a smart move. I hate typing a lot on this laptop :-(
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muntdefems: Finally, more than 3 weeks later my keyboarding woes are over!

As I said, I returned my faulty keyboard and at first I went for a KLIM Domination. It was slightly more expensive than the first one (it was about 55€), it was full-RGB (though I didn't care much about this feature), and I read somewhere that it got 6-key rollover, which was fine for me. The reviews seemed good, too.

I received it last week, I tested it, and it didn't seem to have any ghosting problem. It did have, however, a teenie-weenie flaw: the switch corresponding to the E key was faulty: sometimes it didn't register a key press, and some other times (the most), it registered between 2 and 4 or 5 key presses. Totally unusable.

So I returned it as well, and I gave up my hopes of getting a good and cheap mechanical keyboard. I looked in the ~100€ range, and opted for a Corsair STRAFE. I've just received it and tested it, and so far it works like a charm. Plus it's got Cherry MX Brown switches (the previous two keyboards had blue switches) which feel the same but are significantly less noisy. Oh, and it's also got full 104-key rollover, so it looks like I won't see any more ghosts. xD
I'm using the STRAFE RGB with MX Silent switches. Not a big fan of it, had it for over a year. It is great at limiting noise if that's something you need, but I prefer the feel of my old Razer Tarantula which wasn't mechanical. Biggest problem I have with the STRAFE RGB MX Silent is that the paint on the keys wears off way too easily. It started to wear off on my WASD keys 2-3 months after I bought it, and now the lettering is almost completely worn out from the A and S keys. Meanwhile, the keys on my Tarantula didn't wear off until several years later (I owned it for about 7 years or so until one of the keys stopped working, so I had to get a new keyboard).

So yeah, I don't know if the build quality is the same with the regular STRAFE model, but with the RGB Silent the build quality is shit.
Post edited August 24, 2017 by spoderman
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spoderman: So yeah, I don't know if the build quality is the same with the regular STRAFE model, but with the RGB Silent the build quality is shit.
Well, considering the STRAFE RGB Silent is 50€ more expensive than the regular STRAFE, I'm not getting my hopes particularly up. I guess I'll be able to tell you in a couple of months. :P