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CharlesGrey: Yeah, I think I've seen most of them at some point. New Nightmare is part 7, right? I think I have 6 and 7 on DVD here, and was planning to watch them during the next few weeks ( among a stack of other Horror DVDs ).

And that's one of the things I really like about the 80s Horror classics, they're so creative and different! And creativity and unique ideas are exactly what's sorely lacking in today's film industry. ( Or maybe it's just a matter of being unwilling to take financial risks with wild ideas. )
Yeah, A New Nightmare is number 7. Number 6, Freddy's Dead was pretty original aswell, it has some flashbacks from when Freddy was alive which I found very interesting.

... I'm thinking the first one is maybe also is just a really good horror movie, not easy to reproduce with your everyday film script and director. I mean even Get Out, which everyone seemed to think was a pretty great effort is not great compared to Nightmare.

I think IT looks very worthwhile, but I havn't seen it yet.
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tinyE: However a few names that come to mind, Matthew McConaughey, Hugh Grant, Renée Zellweger, really piss me off because not only do they refuse to talk about the horror movies they were in, in several cases they have tried to file suit to get them blocked from being sold or shown. They aren't snuff films for fuck's sake! What are they so embarrassed about. They've all done way worse movies then those horror films.
To be fair, Matthew McConaughey and Renée Zellweger's movie was Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Next Generation which... well, porn would probably be a way less embarrassing start.

What was Hugh Grant's? Lair of the White Worm? I wish I could get into that movie, but I just bounce off of it.
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Breja: ... the unfairly forgotten Total Recall 2070 delivered a Blade Runner like ambitious, moody series unlike anything except for maybe the earliest seasons of X-Files...
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CharlesGrey: Unfairly forgotten, all right -- I'm not sure I've even heard of it until now. And it's a series? How long is it, just a few episodes?
One full season, 22 episodes. It's called Total Recall, but really it's much more Blade Runner, though it mixes both. If you like Blade Runner's style, it's a great series. Had they more seasons, it could have evolved into something truly superb think.

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Breja: But yeah, Fantasy... not so much. The only really good one I can think of is Highlander. But then, there's not many great fantasy tv series at all, in any decade. Especially live action.
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CharlesGrey: Yeah, Highlander wasn't bad, as far as I remember. Of course it's been a while... And I wasn't exactly picky about my TV consumption back then.
It was really good. The first season was uneven, and in the sixth it was way to obvious the main actor wants out, but season 2-5 were really great. The show really hit a stride better than I think anyone thought it could A lot of really good stories about immortality gone wrong, cool new villains. I was really impressed by how many interesting backstories for both good and bad guys they came up with. It would often get really freaking dark for a tv show back then. Hell, even by todays standards, it's just that they couldn't show some things fully like they would today, but sometimes it only made it more effective. It's well worth re-watching.
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tinyE: However a few names that come to mind, Matthew McConaughey, Hugh Grant, Renée Zellweger, really piss me off because not only do they refuse to talk about the horror movies they were in, in several cases they have tried to file suit to get them blocked from being sold or shown. They aren't snuff films for fuck's sake! What are they so embarrassed about. They've all done way worse movies then those horror films.
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doccarnby: To be fair, Matthew McConaughey and Renée Zellweger's movie was Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Next Generation which... well, porn would probably be a way less embarrassing start.
You're nuts.
I loved that movie.
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tinyE: You're nuts.
I loved that movie.
I don't feel like these statements are necessarily contradictory, to be fair. Next Generation is a ludicrous movie that's totally endearing, but woof. Did you ever see Butcher Boys? It's similarly strange, if you liked Next Generation, I think you might get a kick out of it.
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Breja: One full season, 22 episodes. It's called Total Recall, but really it's much more Blade Runner, though it mixes both. If you like Blade Runner's style, it's a great series. Had they more seasons, it could have evolved into something truly superb think.
Is the series hard to find on DVD? Maybe I need to do some more digging, but I only found the pilot movie, or whatever it is. And how exactly is it related to the Schwarzenegger movie? Because I found them as a DVD bundle.

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Breja: It was really good. The first season was uneven, and in the sixth it was way to obvious the main actor wants out, but season 2-5 were really great. The show really hit a stride better than I think anyone thought it could A lot of really good stories about immortality gone wrong, cool new villains. I was really impressed by how many interesting backstories for both good and bad guys they came up with. It would often get really freaking dark for a tv show back then. Hell, even by todays standards, it's just that they couldn't show some things fully like they would today, but sometimes it only made it more effective. It's well worth re-watching.
I have only vague memories of the series, but maybe I should watch it again some time. ( I do still remember they used a Queen song for the intro, at least for the German version. :D ) I'm getting more into series these days... I like how they provide writers with the opportunity to develop the characters, or try out some weird things they couldn't do in a short 1-2 hour film.
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Breja: One full season, 22 episodes. It's called Total Recall, but really it's much more Blade Runner, though it mixes both. If you like Blade Runner's style, it's a great series. Had they more seasons, it could have evolved into something truly superb think.
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CharlesGrey: Is the series hard to find on DVD? Maybe I need to do some more digging, but I only found the pilot movie, or whatever it is. And how exactly is it related to the Schwarzenegger movie? Because I found them as a DVD bundle.
Yeah, it's the pilot movie. The show essentially took whatever it felt like from the Blade Runner and Total Recall movies to make it's own world, so there's replicants galore with their identity crisises, but also the company Recall and their technology and the usual question about what is real that come with it. It's not connected to the story of either movie though. It's sort of it's own variation on what was already a variation on Philip K. Dicks stories. Unfortunately, other than the pilot it seems almost non-existant. Though I think the episodes are on YT, at least for now, so you can at least give them a look.
Post edited October 20, 2017 by Breja
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CharlesGrey: Is the series hard to find on DVD? Maybe I need to do some more digging, but I only found the pilot movie, or whatever it is. And how exactly is it related to the Schwarzenegger movie? Because I found them as a DVD bundle.
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Breja: Yeah, it's the pilot movie. The show essentially took whatever it felt like from the Blade Runner and Total Recall movies to make it's own world, so there's replicants galore with their identity crisises, but also the company Recall and their technology and the usual question about what is real that come with it. It's not connected to the story of either movie though. It's sort of it's own variation on what was already a variation on Philip K. Dicks stories. Unfortunately, other than the pilot it seems almost non-existant. Though I think the episodes are on YT, at least for now, so you can at least give them a look.
I guess they just bundled them up because of the similar title, then, probably to make people think it's a sequel to the popular Schwarzenegger film. That reminds me, have you watched the remake of Total Recall? Is that one any good?

I've added the bundle, with the series pilot, to my Amazon list for now. Might get it next time I order some DVDs, and if I like it, I'll look around for copies of the series. ( Some episodes seem to be missing on Youtube. And I have noticed that Youtube clips of copyrighted material are usually edited in some way, so they're not automatically detected and removed. I'd rather get a DVD copy of the series, if I can find it. )
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CharlesGrey: I guess they just bundled them up because of the similar title, then, probably to make people think it's a sequel to the popular Schwarzenegger film. That reminds me, have you watched the remake of Total Recall? Is that one any good?
It's pretty terrible. I guess if it wasn't for the Schwarzenegger one (and I think many people seriously underestimate just how great that one is) the new one would be a watchable but forgetable dumb sci-fi action flick, but the comparison kills it. All of the cleverness of the original, the "is it real or is it just fantasy" aspect the original weaves throughout the whole thing is gone. Even the special effects are much worse, just the most bland CG imaginable, none of the memorable visuals the original had. And even on the most basic action sci-fi level, Arnold is still lightyears ahead of Farrell. See you at the party, Richter.
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Here's another short film review:

-- Something Evil -- ( 1972; Steven Spielberg )

A family decides to purchase a small home out in the countryside. "Creepy" things happen, shortly after they move in. It's about as original and exciting as it sounds.

This turned out to be the worst film I've watched this month ( so far ). Apparently it's one of Steven Spielberg's earliest works, so I guess it has some historical relevance, at least for film nerds. Feels a bit like "Baby's first Horror movie", as I doubt the film will have much impact on anyone who is past the age of 10. Now, I can appreciate a slow build-up, but there's simply nothing noteworthy happening here, and even the ending is entirely underwhelming. I think they had a special FX budget of about 50 bucks, so the Horror scenes in this film consist of close-ups of the actors with a wind machine blowing in their face, and there are some scenes with a glowing, bubbling liquid in a jar... No, seriously... That's all. I suppose the acting and camera work is reasonably competent, and it has a nice 70s feeling to it -- which is of course no major accomplishment, when it was actually shot in the 70s.

Overall, I didn't like it and can't recommend it. For a nice haunted house flick, just watch Poltergeist. And people who like classic slow-paced, psychological Horror should just watch "The Sentinel" or Kubrick's "The Shining" instead. My rating: 4/10
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CharlesGrey: I guess they just bundled them up because of the similar title, then, probably to make people think it's a sequel to the popular Schwarzenegger film. That reminds me, have you watched the remake of Total Recall? Is that one any good?
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Breja: It's pretty terrible. I guess if it wasn't for the Schwarzenegger one (and I think many people seriously underestimate just how great that one is) the new one would be a watchable but forgetable dumb sci-fi action flick, but the comparison kills it. All of the cleverness of the original, the "is it real or is it just fantasy" aspect the original weaves throughout the whole thing is gone. Even the special effects are much worse, just the most bland CG imaginable, none of the memorable visuals the original had. And even on the most basic action sci-fi level, Arnold is still lightyears ahead of Farrell. See you at the party, Richter.
"is it real or is it just fantasy" -- And now you have me thinking of Queen again.

Anyhow, another reason to buy that bundle I mentioned, since it contains the original Schwarzenegger Total Recall, and I haven't seen it in many years. Guess I'll just ignore the remake.

What about the Evil Dead remake? ( The film, not the new series. ) Apparently it's kinda crappy too?
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CharlesGrey: What about the Evil Dead remake? ( The film, not the new series. ) Apparently it's kinda crappy too?
I thought it was pretty good. It goes back to the pure horror of the first one, and has an all new cast, and from what they've said it might still be set in the same universe as the originals so it's not really a remake? They've occasionally mentioned bringing characters from it into Ash vs. Evil Dead which would be... interesting, tonally. It's not perfect, but I think it's pretty solid.
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CharlesGrey: What about the Evil Dead remake? ( The film, not the new series. ) Apparently it's kinda crappy too?
I hated it. It's just gore, and gore and none of the fun of the original. I know it's supposed to be like the first one and not the later ones, but even the first Evil Dead had some fun aspects that mitigated the gore. And of course it had Bruce Campbell, while the new one has... someone. Someone very, very forgetable. I guess for fans of gore horror it might be ok, but for me it was just cringy and uncomfortable to watch. I wasnt scared, just disgusted. It was actually one of the very, very few times I was close to walking out of a movie (I only did so twice in my entire life). I probably would have, have I not made it some silly badge of honor to never do that again.
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CharlesGrey: What about the Evil Dead remake? ( The film, not the new series. ) Apparently it's kinda crappy too?
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Breja: I hated it. It's just gore, and gore and none of the fun of the original. I know it's supposed to be like the first one and not the later ones, but even the first Evil Dead had some fun aspects that mitigated the gore. And of course it had Bruce Campbell, while the new one has... someone. Someone very, very forgetable. I guess for fans of gore horror it might be ok, but for me it was just cringy and uncomfortable to watch. I wasnt scared, just disgusted. It was actually one of the very, very few times I was close to walking out of a movie (I only did so twice in my entire life). I probably would have, have I not made it some silly badge of honor to never do that again.
That's a big part of the problem -- To me, Bruce Campbell is Evil Dead. The series relies so much on his performances, that it feels pointless to create an "Evil Dead" film without him as the leading character. I think often the creators of these remakes/reboots would be better off just creating something new instead... But of course they want to cash in on the popularity of the franchises they're reinterpreting.

Not sure where I stand on the gore aspect. I guess I like over the top, "cartoony" gore, like in Evil Dead, Nightmare on Elm Street and many other classic Horror movies, which mix it with a certain dark humor. It also depends on the genre... I don't mind when a werewolf or zombies tear a person apart in a film, but I really don't like realistic "torture porn" in the style of SAW. Just don't find that pleasant to watch.

Which other movies did you walk out of?
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CharlesGrey: What about the Evil Dead remake? ( The film, not the new series. ) Apparently it's kinda crappy too?
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doccarnby: I thought it was pretty good. It goes back to the pure horror of the first one, and has an all new cast, and from what they've said it might still be set in the same universe as the originals so it's not really a remake? They've occasionally mentioned bringing characters from it into Ash vs. Evil Dead which would be... interesting, tonally. It's not perfect, but I think it's pretty solid.
I might check it out some time, but it's not really high up on my list. Especially now that we got the "real deal", with the Evil Dead series. But I'm not a big fan of all these remakes in general. Seems like most of the time they either turn out "OK" or fail entirely, but it's rare that they're truly good.
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CharlesGrey: Which other movies did you walk out of?
I think I only walked out twice in my entire life. Once when I was a kid I gave up on The Little Meremaid. I was dying of boredom. I'm not sure why I was even there to begin with. It was obviously a movie for girls, and even younger then I was then, and I'm not a fan of most Disney animated movies anyway. I find most of them boring.

And the second and last time was Matrix Reloaded. Again, due to boredom. I went to see it with my dad, who surprisingly liked the first Matrix, so we thought it would be fun. Boy, were we wrong. We gave up entirely and walked out during the endless Zion Dance Party sequence.

I was very temtped to leave during the Hunger Games and Transporter Refueled. It's just that in the years since Reloaded I got much more critical of movies, and I like to to be able to properly "review" a movie I went to see, even when it sucks, so I feel obliged to see it to the end, to be able to give an honest opinion on the whole thing.

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CharlesGrey: Not sure where I stand on the gore aspect. I guess I like over the top, "cartoony" gore, like in Evil Dead,
The "cartoonish" nature of it was exactly what the neww one was missing. It was way to visceral and "real". In a way I even thin that the old, imperfect effects of the original give it an edge over the way to realistic gore of the new one.
Post edited October 21, 2017 by Breja